tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6106782.post5189927348455480137..comments2024-03-27T10:47:33.255+00:00Comments on Architecture, Data and Intelligence: Meta-Architecture (Yawn)Richard Veryardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04499123397533975655noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6106782.post-28607165492132296782011-11-19T10:17:18.346+00:002011-11-19T10:17:18.346+00:00I appear to have misinterpreted Chris's tweet....I appear to have misinterpreted Chris's tweet. Sorry.<br /><br />And Doug defends the Bredemeyers, and thinks I've taken their material out of context. I am happy to acknowledge that most of their material is about much more interesting topics than this.<br /><br />I take Tom's point about the importance of surfacing assumptions, but I am not sure that our misunderstandings about complexity (say) are ever going to be resolved by coming up with a standard definition of "complexity".Richard Veryardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499123397533975655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6106782.post-32946418851967425132011-11-19T08:15:19.421+00:002011-11-19T08:15:19.421+00:00Hi Richard,
I pretty much agree with everything y...Hi Richard,<br /><br />I pretty much agree with everything you said in this post. From my point of view, working as an enterprise architect in a large government department, I don't care about the meta-architecture, I am to busy trying to understand what the business is trying to achieve and lining up IT to help that. I beg, borrow and steal anything to get the appropriate actions to occur and generate the right outcomes. Good modelling or architecture correctness is far down my list of things that matter. To defend the Bredemeyers, their discussion of meta-architecture is in the context of software architecture, specifically large scale software writing projects, and in that space I think it makes much more sense. When it comes to enterprise architecture I think it is of significantly reduced value.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />DougDoug Newdickhttp://dougnewdick.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6106782.post-67227376850697668542011-11-18T20:33:34.428+00:002011-11-18T20:33:34.428+00:00(Apologies - I used the wrong identity for the pos...(Apologies - I used the wrong identity for the post - above is from Tom Graves)Tom Graveshttp://weblog.tetradian.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6106782.post-72611889904879602372011-11-18T20:32:16.952+00:002011-11-18T20:32:16.952+00:00Hi Richard - good points all (and yes, I know I...Hi Richard - good points all (and yes, I know I'm one of the 'offenders' here...)<br /><br />Perhaps don't be quite so quick to write off all meta-architecture, though. To paraphrase some famous person whose name I have long forgotten (Patton, perhaps?), the plans - or, in this case, the actual 'definitions' from the meta-architecture - are less important than that planning (the <i>process</i> of meta-architecture) has taken place, and that people are familiar with both the process itself, and the need for it at real-world speed.<br /><br />Just to take one seriously-problematic example, look at all the trouble we've had over the word 'complexity'? We need to engage people in questioning their assumptions about definitions and the like - otherwise we can find ourselves in real serious mess later on, when we find that different have been using fundamentally-different definitions on the design of the same project or process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6106782.post-85684532100396357312011-11-18T10:20:53.887+00:002011-11-18T10:20:53.887+00:00Hello Richard
I agree that we musn't waste ti...Hello Richard<br /><br />I agree that we musn't waste time on definitions. I was referring to actual behaviours.<br /><br />If a conversation about behaviours is misunderstood to be about definitions - or vice-versa - it's a contraint for sure.<br /><br />Mind you, there's only so far we can depart in our behaviours from what something actually means (e.g. strategy, architecture), before we're no longer doing that something.<br /><br />---------<br /><br />It's easy for motives to be misunderstood on Twitter. Thanks for the alert!<br /><br />All the best<br /><br />Chris PottsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com